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Washington Street Vision Plan, Part 3

Continue reading here. This section includes: Scenarios that help visualize which zoning tools are preferred; Scenarios that help visualize street sections; Implementation recommendations.

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Biking and walking are hard in the winter. Please keep in mind that the Green Bike program in Newton has been in place for more than a year, I believe. I've seen a grand total of about 5 people riding Green Bikes. Please review the Green Bike utilization statistics before Newton puts too much money into building bike lanes.
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Where is the evidence that narrower streets will result in slower car traffic and safer streets? Beethoven Ave is narrow, and Beethoven Ave is on the top 10 list of most accident prone streets in Newton.
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No, this plan does not do a good job integrating into the existing neighborhoods. This plan is missing a traffic study that quantifies how much more traffic is anticipated on the various existing streets. This plan is missing a parking study that quantifies how much overflow parking is expected to spillover onto existing side streets.
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Please specify the size of a parking area like this. How many cars can park here? Will there be a restriction on how long cars can park here? Overall, how many parking spaces does this Washington Street proposal plan for (for both resident parking, overnight/visitor parking, and parking for the various planned shops/restaurants)? Overall, this plan does not seem to include nearly enough parking spots.
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Why is commenting not closed on this portion and the Zoning Toolkit? Are you still compiling comments on these sections, even with Draft 2 out??
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in reply to quar-ti.er's comment
I watched a short documentary about a traffic circle in a major city. As I recall, it was included in one of the PBS series entitled "10 that...." (It *may* have been "10 towns that ..." ) The circle included on and off ramps to a highway as well as access to and from streets that connected to the traffic circle. Not pedestrian friendly. They essentially did away with the traffic circle by changing the configuration of the highway's entrances and exits. The new space housed a public park and buildings, the designs of which were pedestrian friendly. This provided a wonderful community space for people who lived in the area and/or worked in the area. Accident rates diminished. The air was cleaner.
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Sounds good!
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Sounds good!
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in reply to sarlenshep's comment
sarlenshep, not sure what you mean. Kids ride (and walk) here all the time right now, and even more will do so if Washington St becomes more residential.
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Like this concept! Add some planters at ground level.
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Like the building style!
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Cries out for some "ever-greenery." There are ways to combine multi-story buildings with some type of greenery to keep the general feel of the "Garden City."
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Is this area a courtyard type of place?
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Ground level needs a little variety, a small alcove. Part of the building set back a tad, some "ever-greenery."
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I like having the top floor set back a little.
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I like having the top floor set back a little.
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Is this a section where retail stores would be limited to certain width/size? That was mentioned by the presenters during one of the public planning sessions as a way of keeping small, independent shops and restaurants in Newton.
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The loop on the north side of the Pike has been eliminated in this plan, yes?
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in reply to Jay Walter's comment
I agree, upper story setbacks are a great tool to keep streetscapes human scaled.
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in reply to Pam's comment
I would like to hear more about who you think is ruining our town centers and overcrowding our schools. I don't see that happening.
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Historical preservation is not at all important to me. Affordable, environmentally friendly buildings are.
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High quality, environmentally responsible, intelligently designed buildings are waaaaaay more important to me than stuffy historical preservation, which is also often financially expensive/wasteful, and quite frankly ugly.
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in reply to Bryan Barash's comment
This is kind if ludicrous because no child I know can walk or bike the mile or two or three or four miles home with two heavy backpacks
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Please please, lets try this next summer!!!!
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Yes please!!!! protected lanes on both sides is much better for all types of trips vs two-way on one side.
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in reply to lsanchez's comment
Developers are not waiting...we need to get the zoning right now (technically it should have been better before Austin and Washington Place but whatever). So this needs to move forward because I guarantee you developers are getting their financing in line now and we need something better than a piecemeal plan.
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in reply to Kathleen Hobson's comment
I think a lot of people agree that maximizing affordability should be a goal. Excited about the inclusionary zoning revamp and what it can do to help us expand affordable housing and middle incoming housing (which is needed too!).
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I like this option, not sure its financially feasible but really worth exploring for sure!
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in reply to John R's comment
If we are serious about transit improvements, we need to be mindful of bus operations, including bus lanes, signal priority, etc.
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in reply to mhalle's comment
The survey demographics don't even match with newtonville's demographics! Let alone the other villages. It is a good data point, but that is what it is a data point. Come back when there is a survey that actually does better at matching demographics of the area in question and then we can talk. And indeed, that is Newtonville, are views similar in West Newton? I am sure, which is why it remains and should remain an important data point but should not be driving decisions.
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in reply to jfitz0807's comment
I don't think we have any obligation to make them feel like using our local streets is a better option.
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in reply to suebottino's comment
LOVE this building.
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in reply to mhalle's comment
A great way to get more kids and parents to not drive would be making this area more walkable and bikeable. It won't get rid of every car obviously, but we could make a dent.
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The impact of two large impending developments (Austin St. and Washington Place) on traffic, walkability and parking needs to be assessed before considering further development in this area. Until then, green space would be most appropriate and welcome.
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in reply to Kelley's comment
indeed...but its a worthy option to explore I think
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in reply to John R's comment
The stairway from Hell to the Newtonville commuter rail needs to be made accessible, regardless of any other changes. But we should do it in a way that leaves the door open to service upgrades, which are also necessary in the long run.
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More affordable housing seems to be a ubiquitous goal for most people in talk to. Lots of debate on how to achieve that. Thinking about places like Cambridge that have progressive, innovative examples of ways to create walkable, diverse, green spaces, it seems it is key to have a strong commercial economy for efficient city revenue, and in order to have that you need enough density to support the businesses. I'm not sure if I know of any city's that have successfully provided more diversity and affordable housing without a strong commercial presence and high density housing. I do think public transportation is hugely important (and problematic given the current state) with increase in commercial and high density ~ since public transit infrastructure is notoriously expensive, it seems important to be working with the mbta and pushing negotiations with developers with public transportation improvement in mind.
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This proposal is way too dense. Residents must be allowed to decide if this is what they envision for the city.
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in reply to lsanchez's comment
This is our opportunity to plan for our future. Anyone hoping to develop land will have to adhere to the zoning decisions made through this process. Although zoning can only do so much, so whether a rental space ends up continuing to be occupied by the Post Office is beyond city government's control.
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Residents never asked the city to increase the density and height of buildings nor the population. Residents did not request that the City change the villages into urban enclaves and intersperse apartment buildings next to our homes. We want to preserve our properties as is and preserve our community and villages. The Mayor never mentioned in her campaign for office that she would transform the city and add thousands to our population. I will not vote for the Mayor if this plan is approved.
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in reply to Beth Smith's comment
Agreed. Demand needs to be determined before commercial (and residential) projects are considered.
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in reply to Shule's comment
What we have now is run-down, obsolete former industrial spaces and surface parking lots. I think a well-designed apartment tower, perhaps over a parking garage, would be appropriate adjacent to the turnpike on the west end of West Newton. This isn't really part of the village area that most people are thinking of.
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Newtonville residents are just learning that our post office land has been bought by the Developer. Where is our post office going to be relocated? Is this just a beginning of what the proposed development plans will do to our village. And what's to be built on that space. Is that included in this plan we are reviewing?
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I basically like the Courtyard concepts, especially underground parking, not surface parking. Single driver cars are not sustainable, we need to think differently. More bicycle, pedestrian, and transit facilities of all type PLEASE.
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in reply to Helen D Nayar's comment
Not my preference either, but it appears they are responding to an existing highway - just like we are. To get this much green space on top looks like a great improvement compared with an open highway boat section.
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in reply to Jane Hanser's comment
I share these concerns.
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Newtonville residents already have two huge building projects underway of which most of us are very skeptical, the Austin St condos and the Washington St apartments (4-5 stories I think we were told). Let's wait until those are completed to get a sense of what the massive construction proposed might look like.
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Transformation over incremental efforts.
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Why is there nothing about new schools? With all this new development our school-age population will most certainly increase.
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5+ stories
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